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ATLANTICWAVE1000 07-29-2018 07:29 PM

Fuel 2.0L Turbo
 
Hi, We have had our new '18 Envision Premium since May 25th. So far we have 3,025 miles clocked including one vacation trip. I have been using premium and mid grade fuel either Shell, Exxon or Mobil. I know some say you can and some say you can't use regular fuel but was wondering if anyone has been running theirs on it and if so how is the performance? Is it substantially reduced or have you developed pre ignition knocking? Any insight will be helpful. Thanks, Mark

NormT 07-29-2018 09:02 PM

The 87 octane will have a slight, noticeable power drop over 92-93 octane. A slight drop in fuel economy and some audible pinging with the windows down.

I've run all grades and currently mixing E85 with 87 octane.

ATLANTICWAVE1000 01-17-2019 10:53 PM

Just a little update. Well, the car is up to a little over 10K miles now and I have tried numerous types (regular, mid and high-grade versions) and brands of gasoline (all name brands, I checked the GM site for authorized brands). I really feel the performance is best with the high octane fuel even though I am not a hard driver. The car is smoother, has more pep and I hear no engine noise (pinging or otherwise). The upside is I generally get about 25-28 all around driving mileage. The downside is the premium that I have been buying is between $1 to $1.20 more than regular a gallon. Shell today $3.549 @10.397 gallons nets $36.90 which included a $.05 savings per gallon with the Shell card. Still, I am spending less than I did when I had the 3.6L V6 and the performance is almost as good with far better mileage so I fill up far less often.

NormT 01-19-2019 02:25 PM

I found the octane matters little for mpg. The 2.0T does have more pep with higher octane.

I've been mixing E85 and 87 octane. I mix 30% E85 and 70% 87 octane for about 93-94 octane. Cold start is good so far at 25F degrees but mileage does suffer with E85.

SS1 01-27-2019 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ATLANTICWAVE1000 (Post 15195)
Just a little update. Well, the car is up to a little over 10K miles now and I have tried numerous types (regular, mid and high-grade versions) and brands of gasoline (all name brands, I checked the GM site for authorized brands). I really feel the performance is best with the high octane fuel even though I am not a hard driver. The car is smoother, has more pep and I hear no engine noise (pinging or otherwise). The upside is I generally get about 25-28 all around driving mileage. The downside is the premium that I have been buying is between $1 to $1.20 more than regular a gallon. Shell today $3.549 @10.397 gallons nets $36.90 which included a $.05 savings per gallon with the Shell card. Still, I am spending less than I did when I had the 3.6L V6 and the performance is almost as good with far better mileage so I fill up far less often.

Comparing AWD cars, I own a 2013 Subaru Legacy that runs on regular (H6) and a 2018 Envision on Premium. The cars have the same acceleration. I average (same mix of driving on both cars) about 21 mpg in the Subaru, and just over 25 mpg in the Envision. So each week filling them up, I current spend about $28 on the Buick, and $30 on the Subaru. So while I use premium, I actually spend less in the same driving than the Subaru. We could not get the 4 cylinder subaru because the car did not have enough acceleration for the Merritt Parkway and some of its 50 yard on ramps to get to 55 mph. So a regular car with the same performance getting worse gas mileage costs me more.

NormT 01-28-2019 08:24 AM

How is the acceleration of the turbo-4 vs thr H6? Not sure if there is elevation involved.

SS1 02-21-2019 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by NormT (Post 15209)
How is the acceleration of the turbo-4 vs thr H6? Not sure if there is elevation involved.

The 2013 Subaru Legacy 3.6R and the 2018 Envision Premium II I own (2.0L turbo) have about the same acceleration. The Subaru is rated at 7.0 seconds in most tests, the Envision is about 6.5 to 7.0 seconds depending who tests it, or very close. Both are more than adequate for merging on short ramps on to highways. The elevation is about 250 feet above sea level where the highway is located. I don't do hard acceleration on top of the mountain where I live, about 650 feet above sea level (base of mountain about 100 feet above sea level). Hope that helps.

Note that in 2020 Subaru will no longer sell the H6, just the H4 and the H4 turbo themselves running on premium. It is the way the industry is going (the new turbo from Subaru will generate the same power as the discontinued H6, but will weigh less so accelerate faster most likely).

ATLANTICWAVE1000 04-12-2020 01:30 PM

I find the 2.0L I4 in the Buick to be almost as quick as the 3.6L V6 we had in the Equinox. Actually, around town, the Buick feels more sprightly than the Chevy did and on the highway, if you gunned the V6 it seemed to have more punch. In any event, for us, both have more than enough power to manage in town or on the highways.

ATLANTICWAVE1000 05-25-2020 05:50 PM

Yes, agreed, I have driven the Merritt a million times since driving in 1971. Although very pretty, the short runways on, the short curved runways off and the general winding of the parkway make it a must to pay attention lest you end up in the trees. Definitely, need a car that can reasonably accelerate as well as go up a multitude of highly inclined hills. I now come to the state about once a month to see my mom and find the Buick manages well over this road. We now have 25k miles and so far so good. This is the best car I have ever owned. It does everything I need and does it well, ride, handling, acceleration, braking and we feel extremely safe when driving it.

SS1 06-21-2020 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ATLANTICWAVE1000 (Post 15459)
Yes, agreed, I have driven the Merritt a million times since driving in 1971. Although very pretty, the short runways on, the short curved runways off and the general winding of the parkway make it a must to pay attention lest you end up in the trees. Definitely, need a car that can reasonably accelerate as well as go up a multitude of highly inclined hills. I now come to the state about once a month to see my mom and find the Buick manages well over this road. We now have 25k miles and so far so good. This is the best car I have ever owned. It does everything I need and does it well, ride, handling, acceleration, braking and we feel extremely safe when driving it.

Nice summary. I live in CT so I use it a lot more than you today. The Buick has more than enough power on Premium, the Subaru on regular. However, as I mentioned, the Subaru does get substantially worse gas mileage with 6 cylinders and a 5 speed automatic than the Buick with a four cylinder turbo and six speed automatic. To show how far technology has come in the past decade, the old 2006 Saab 9-3 that this Buick replaced, gets essentially the same gas mileage (0.5 mpg better) with a four cylinder turbo and FWD compared to the AWD Buick. So the gas mileage is much better now for a bigger car overall.


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