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Hey all! Longtime lurker now posting. I am very interested in a '21 Envision but wanted to get a sense for what year/trim you all had, how many miles are on it, and any major issues you've encountered. Seems like most are happy but appreciate any insights on if you'd buy another! Thanks.
 

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2017 Essence. 41,000 miles. Only problem was the rear seat HVAC blowing hot air. Covered under warranty. Have enjoyed the car and would buy again.
 

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Nice! Right now I'm weighing a '20 AWD Premium or a '21 Preferred with sport touring and convenience package. Different dealers, but after Buick discounts the 20 can be had for essentially the same price. Weighing that as we speak, since 20s may disappear soon..

Glad to hear you've gotten a lot of good miles out of the first gen!
 

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Hi, We have a 2018 (purchased new May'18) Premium I. It was an opportune car, I brought my Chevy in for service and between the service manager and owner the deal was too good to pass up. We had one issue with the 'wobble' or 'shudder' when accelerating. The dealer service dept. resolved it with a new pair if half shafts in front and it has been fine since. They even gave me a loaner for the day so I had no down time. No other issues and we currently have just shy of 32K miles. Very happy with the car, it does everything well, competent handling, good acceleration, good mileage, comfortable ride and interior, and feels very solid and safe driving down the road. Although a lot of people have told me it is made in China, the fit and finish is extremely good and better than anything I have compared it too. I am old enough to remind them to look at Japanese imports in the 60's, its the quality that counts. It may just be me but I find my local Buick dealer, which is small, is more attentive and works harder to keep my business than the big Ford or Chevy dealers I utilized prior to owning the Buick. It was sold about a year ago to a family group of dealers, but they kept it intact and retained all the personnel and it has just hummed along under a different name. Personally, the '21 is really a standout. You can probably find a fully loaded '20 at a great discount, but the style and flair of the '21 makes the '20 and prior years look a bit stodgy and dated.
 

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Good point on the styling, it is pretty stark. I also found the Infotainment looked miles different in the 20 after first seeing a 21. Handling was similar, the full Turbo in the 20 had more pep but the handling felt a bit cleaner in the 21. My local dealer is offering a sales price around 32 for a '20 Premium I AWD, same as I'm being offered for a 21 Preferred AWD. Might just try to wait it out for incentives on the 21 eventually.
 

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Hey all! Longtime lurker now posting. I am very interested in a '21 Envision but wanted to get a sense for what year/trim you all had, how many miles are on it, and any major issues you've encountered. Seems like most are happy but appreciate any insights on if you'd buy another! Thanks.
I own a 2017 Envision bought new as a leftover and currently have 21000 miles on it. Zero trouble with it since purchase. 100% reliable. Handles great. Just regular servicing. Keyfobs needed new batteries. Yes would buy another, but they are small for my current needs. Trading it in for a larger SUV.
 

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Hi, I believe the 2.0 in the '21 is the same unit that is in the Cadillac XT4 and therefore a newer design with different horsepower / torque output. What I have not been able to verify is if like the Cadillac it has cylinder shut off. If it does then to me the '20 is a better car, see Scotty Kilmer on YouTube on cylinder shut down and the premature wear it seems to cause. The new cars are great with an awful lot of technology my concern is how reliable will they be over time, the wiring, computers, aluminum turbo direct injected engines etc.
 

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Hi, I believe the 2.0 in the '21 is the same unit that is in the Cadillac XT4 and therefore a newer design with different horsepower / torque output. What I have not been able to verify is if like the Cadillac it has cylinder shut off. If it does then to me the '20 is a better car, see Scotty Kilmer on YouTube on cylinder shut down and the premature wear it seems to cause. The new cars are great with an awful lot of technology my concern is how reliable will they be over time, the wiring, computers, aluminum turbo direct injected engines etc.
Interesting, great points. That's concerning. I liked the engine but if its a ticking time bomb I'm going to pass. Why can't they just mildly innovate a proven engine?!? Too bad. Based on your read, how long would you give an engine like that? 50k miles? 80k?
 

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Hey all! Longtime lurker now posting. I am very interested in a '21 Envision but wanted to get a sense for what year/trim you all had, how many miles are on it, and any major issues you've encountered. Seems like most are happy but appreciate any insights on if you'd buy another! Thanks.
Bought ours new in 2018, when the 2019 came out so I got $14,000 off of the list price or in other words - very cheap as it was below any other SUV in its class by over $10,000. I wanted it for the older 6 speed automatic unit which I knew would be very reliable (it had been around for a few years) as well as the four speed turbo engine that although updated to direct injection dates back to when Saab used the regular injected unit on my old 2006 Saab 9-3 that ran 190,000 miles before I sold it still running in 2018 in very good condition (still running today with 220,000 miles). We now own the Premium II version with every option which now has 38,500 miles. Never had a problem and I suspect it will last us at least 100,000 before anything minor goes wrong with it (our old GM Saab lasted 110,000 before it needed an alternator - the most major repair it had in its life). Once GM builds a platform for a few years and they apply six sigma to it, they do tend to build reliable cars if the name is not Cadillac. I have followed this strategy since 2006 and as a result only owned two cars over this time and plan to make it another 10 to 12 years before I buy another. Just be careful, because it seems with the 2021 there are going to be a number of changes and you don't want to be the tester while GM uses six sigma to figure out what of the redesigns is not working and needs to be changed.
 

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Bought ours new in 2018, when the 2019 came out so I got $14,000 off of the list price or in other words - very cheap as it was below any other SUV in its class by over $10,000. I wanted it for the older 6 speed automatic unit which I knew would be very reliable (it had been around for a few years) as well as the four speed turbo engine that although updated to direct injection dates back to when Saab used the regular injected unit on my old 2006 Saab 9-3 that ran 190,000 miles before I sold it still running in 2018 in very good condition (still running today with 220,000 miles). We now own the Premium II version with every option which now has 38,500 miles. Never had a problem and I suspect it will last us at least 100,000 before anything minor goes wrong with it (our old GM Saab lasted 110,000 before it needed an alternator - the most major repair it had in its life). Once GM builds a platform for a few years and they apply six sigma to it, they do tend to build reliable cars if the name is not Cadillac. I have followed this strategy since 2006 and as a result only owned two cars over this time and plan to make it another 10 to 12 years before I buy another.
Nice! Good to hear, yeah I am considering a Premium I AWD 2020 now, leftover but new with 4 miles, at a deep discount sales price around 29k, precisely because the Turbo in that sounds like it might be better than the new one, kind of your logic. Love the styling on the new one, but an engine is an engine. Plus leather seats, just clinching it really. We'll see, going between that and a 21 Preferred AWD ST.
 

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Nice! Good to hear, yeah I am considering a Premium I AWD 2020 now, leftover but new with 4 miles, at a deep discount sales price around 29k, precisely because the Turbo in that sounds like it might be better than the new one, kind of your logic. Love the styling on the new one, but an engine is an engine. Plus leather seats, just clinching it really. We'll see, going between that and a 21 Preferred AWD ST.
That is a very good price on a model that has been out for two years with its current 9 speed automatic and the same engine I have. I have not heard of any powertrain issues so far but it is still early for that unit that was co-developed with Ford. I kind of have a background here because I used to be a consultant in the early 2000s and I got to work with GM Powertrain and teach them how to use six sigma to improve the reliability of their cars. It had been first applied to the 2006 model year of all the Saab models - why I bought the 9-3 and had so many good years of great reliability. It is my suspicion they have continued this statistical method to today which is why after they launch a car the reliability tends to get better in the years that follow. The exception is Cadillac because they don't sell enough cars to have good statistical models to see what is going wrong as well and it is harder to fix components when you don't have the data to track down what is going wrong (they use warranty data to figure out what to redesign). It is why I stay away from that brand and pick today from what GM offers in the other three brands - or Toyota, which also uses the same methodology. Best of luck.
 

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That is a very good price on a model that has been out for two years with its current 9 speed automatic and the same engine I have. I have not heard of any powertrain issues so far but it is still early for that unit that was co-developed with Ford. I kind of have a background here because I used to be a consultant in the early 2000s and I got to work with GM Powertrain and teach them how to use six sigma to improve the reliability of their cars. It had been first applied to the 2006 model year of all the Saab models - why I bought the 9-3 and had so many good years of great reliability. It is my suspicion they have continued this statistical method to today which is why after they launch a car the reliability tends to get better in the years that follow. The exception is Cadillac because they don't sell enough cars to have good statistical models to see what is going wrong as well and it is harder to fix components when you don't have the data to track down what is going wrong (they use warranty data to figure out what to redesign). It is why I stay away from that brand and pick today from what GM offers in the other three brands - or Toyota, which also uses the same methodology. Best of luck.
Thanks! Yeah now just comes the hard part of deciding whether to get that 20 on discount now, or wait until the 21s reviews and safety scores come in and try and grab it later with more incentives. Right now I'd be paying about 2.5k more for the 21 Preferred. In any case, I am lucky to have a solid car now but a good offer for it and a desire to have more power and room. Thanks again and glad you're enjoying yours.
 
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